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 Post subject: Haste and Monk
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:40 pm 
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Well the other day Safer asked me about this and I wasn't entirely sure, so I went and found the rounded figures for haste's effect on DPS for MNK.

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Haste                 0%      3%      5%      8%      11%     15%     20%     25%     30%     40%     50%
Adjusted Delay        348     337     330     320     309     295     278     261     243     208     174
Adjusted Atk Period   5.80s   5.61s   5.50s   5.33s   5.15s   4.91s   4.63s   4.35s   4.05s   3.46s   2.9s
Attacks/30sec         5       5       5       5       5       6       6       6       7       8       10
Attacks/60sec         10      10      10      11      11      12      12      13      14      17      20
Attacks/120sec        20      21      21      22      23      24      25      27      29      34      41
Utsu: Ichi Recast     30s     29s     28s     27s     26s     25s     24s     22s     21s     18s     15s
Utsu: Ni Recast       45s     43s     42s     41s     40s     38s     36s     33s     31s     27s     22s

So adding up your gear's haste total then factoring in which spells/songs you have on you:
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Haste Spell       15%
Advancing March   9%
Victory March     11%

keeping in mind that Haste caps at 50% total, you can figure out our damage per minute on LBC by factoring in our average damage per attack round.

But then there's the inate ability of double attacking and kick attacking that has to be accounted for as well. WAR sub is what, 10% Double Attack? So /WAR with Brutal earring will give you +15% attacks. Then for kick attacks, the general consensus for calculating the rate is: [10+(kickMerits)+(gearBonus)]
So if you were using Melee Hose and had full Kick merits (5), then you'd theoretically have a 20% chance of Kick attacking.

So let's see...

In one minute, using

Walahra Turban
Melee Hose
Dune Boots
Black Belt
Brutal Earring

and variable other gear alternatives, with Haste and Victory March, you'd have 43% Haste, a 15% chance of Double Attacking and a 20% chance of Kick attacking (for about 20 dmg more per kick than per fist average). 18 Attack rounds (36 punches) per minute with that amount of haste, ~8 kick attacks, and 5~ extra punches via Double Attack.

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36 Punches         @45~55 dPerFist
8 Kicks            @65~75 dPerKick
5 Double Attacks   @45~55 dPerFist

And finally, the totally variable accuracy stat which probably will fall around 75% on an LBC-type mob.

[(36*50)+(8*70)+(5*50)]*.75 = 1957.5 Damage per minute!

but wait, there's Asuran fists to be accounted for, lol!

Let's just be vague here since, well I want to. 49 attacks @ 4.5 TP per connection with 75% accuracy = 165~TP, so there'll only be 1 Asuran per minute more than likely. Asurans generally do 200~300 dmg, so general concesus is that MNK/WAR is easily capable of 2200 damage per minute on LBC with correct support, with potential to do more.

for NIN sub, I'd probably subtract about 400 damage due to 5-10 less damage per fist and only a 5% chance to double attack, as well as utsusemi casting times.

And now I'm free to be bored again.

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:46 pm 
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nice kny...

depending on what other gear you have available + if str is unlocked, asuran's will do more than 300 damage, but taking the worst case scenario is best.

typically for LBC, the monks can either save TP for shoulder tackle, or asuran right after a homing missile

mages would have to not run away and run up to the monks in order for them to get hate back

to make things easier, having a backup tank standing far away from LBC building hate would be used to help hold LBC for the monks after a homing missile hits

lets go fight LBC now!

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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Sooooo....how 'bout them Canadian Mounties?! :>

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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Wot about

"Knyghtmayre misses Long-Bowed Chariot."

How many of these have you factored????????

Else, pwn. I'm still not convinced about Mnk tanking LBC though. I guess I need to be shown it in person.

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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Knyght wrote:
And finally, the totally variable accuracy stat which probably will fall around 75% on an LBC-type mob.

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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Sooooo....how 'bout them Canadian Mounties?! :>


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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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So can you be pulled over in by a man on a horse in Canada?

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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Actually, they have speed traps... dunno why, it's really stupid to be honest. They get out of their car, set up the radar at like at the end of a bridge or something like that and track your speed across it. Then they motion for you to pull over...

I have yet to see any Canadian use a radar while in the car itself... hell, I've yet to see any canadian police force pull over people speeding on the highway. There's been several times where I'm in the left lane with a group and we're going like 140kmp.

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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Cops on horses would be a lot cooler here than having fat slobs chomping on donuts with one hand and a radar in the other hand waiting to pull us over.

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 Post subject: Re: Haste and Monk
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ive seen cops on horses before, but they're not necessarily RCMP

as for speeding... ive seen people pulled on the side of the highway, though i think they like to get people in city streets more often...

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When I see RCMP I immediately think of Dudley Dooright and Snidely Whiplash.

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what they fuck are you talking about

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How much is a Canadian dollar compared to USD?

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1 U.S. dollars = 1.10500046 Canadian Dollars
1 Canadian dollar = 0.904977 U.S. dollars

i hadnt been following the loony lately, but damn, much better than like 6 years ago

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What kinda pictures does Canadian money have on it?

Like ours has all dead presidents and stuff. And is it different colors? Our bills are all green.

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A loonie and a toonie? How odd...you silly Canadians.

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Man i know im tired but didnt those monies bare breasts before.. fk it im goin to sleep

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